C=USA [era: Il nuovo Commodore 64! Fuffa o Rivoluzione?]

[cip060]

punto gioco set partita?? ma piantala non ti rendi conto che ti rendi sempre piu ridicolo e poco credibile per non piangere

[amig4be]

punto gioco set partita??

6-0
6-0

per di più

[MacGyverPPC]

Non so... io continuo a crederci poco a sta C=... sopra tutto se dovesse tenere prezzi assurdi paragonando il contenuto che ha l "accrocchio" starei attento a fare previsioni di successi...
Qui mi sembra di vedere ad occhi aperti un Dejavù
http://www.oldgamesitalia.net/forum/ind ... linearplus

[amig4be]

il seguitissimo network dedicato ai videogames IGN

il 6 aprile annunciava la fase di preorder

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/116/1160181p1.html

oggi 20/6 annuncia anche l'inizio delle spedizioni

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/117/1177177p1.html

[MacGyverPPC]

Si bello... sopra tutto i commenti dell'ultimo link!

[amig4be]

altri

http://www.pc-facile.com/news/commodore ... /69719.htm

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/19/comm ... ulfilling/

il progetto è stato molto seguito dai media mainstream, dai primi rendering sino alle spedizioni...

[MacGyverPPC]

Seguito sarà seguito... voglio vedere quanto corrono,finito l'hype del biscotto...

[amig4be]

inizierà l'hype di Amiga

[Grendizer]

E mentre voi "litigate" il mio "clone" ha scritto nel forum di Commodore USA

"Hello to all... I am a new user and I would like to put here my opinion, so I do it!

From the way you are talking about your new Commodore Os, it seems it will be better than windows 7 or MAC OS or linux Ubuntu... then I suppose it will be also very different from a “normal linux”, and I think, in order being an excellent Os, as Amiga Os was on the old generation of Amiga, it should be very integrated along with the hardware who guests it... yes, because the hardware should be totally integrated along with the new Commodore OS, if you want to create an home computer (yes, you could use again this word to describe your Amiga Computers and in particulare the definition: “THE RETURN OF THE HOME COMPUTER”, in opposite to the word PersonalComputer) efficently and peculiare as the old generation of Commodore Amiga was...... a new amiga should be an excellent computer and long-lived for at least 5 years.... as for example xbox 360 or Ps3 console are... I find the Amiga philosopy in every kind of generation of home console who come out on the market....because they offer new innovative hardware, at low cost and long-lived for many years....
I think, at the beginning, you can use existent standard hardware to make money , but I think you must also find something of particulare who can be used with it... it should be an important thing for example to make an agreement with ATI or Nvidia, to make a specific and innovative graphic card esclusively for your home computer, and to use AMD 6 core processors, because they are very cheap and performant.... I think this is the right way to start and to make money which are needed to think more in great... now I have some questions:

1) How many people are working on the new Commodore OS?When will come out?
2) Will they be two versions of Commodore OS? One designed for Commodore 64x and one different for the Amiga Line?
3) How many computer's model are you thinking about to launch about Amiga? I think you should choose 2 model of Amiga every 4-5 years (an entry level as Amiga 500 was and a professional level as Amiga 2000 was), because if you make an “Amiga” every 6 months, that will not be interessant as Amiga was because it will sature the market making it to think about it as a simple PC clone...and that doesn't make the difference but will kill this Amiga line of Computers, that will never utilize in the right way the hardware

I think your "Amiga" could have success only if the OS will use all the power of the hardware and will work in a different and nicer way of the other OS concorrence... but you need also an exclusive graphic card (ati or Nvidia) and low cost and performant processors (Amd )

Sorry for my bad english and mistakes"

link
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum ... rt=30#4953

[AMIGATV]

Finalmente le domande giuste vediamo come rispondono

[amig4be]

@grendizer

ma non ho capito, sei tu?

beh questo intervento centra in pieno un bel po' di quei punti che secondo me determinano l'entusiasmo e le speranze che molti ripongono su questo progetto, il senso e la voglia del ritorno, l'aver passato quasi vent'anni individuando come cani da tartufi nelle tecnologie hardware/software succedutesi l'influenza seminale delle originali macchine C=Amiga, e il desiderio di trovare un esponente commerciale per la massa che possa catalizzare questi elementi in un prodotto appunto di nome Amiga all'avanguardia...

non si può fare tutto in 10 mesi è chiaro... ma comunque un principio c'è

Le domande sul C=Os sono da milioni di dollari...

credo che comunque le differenze tra l'os per c64 e Amiga sarà solo quello dovuto al tempo che passerà tra i due prodotti... (una versione di Amiga a.i.o. low end con amd spinti sarebbe ottima...)


edit: questa dello staff di cusa mi era sfuggita

"The difference between the look, style and functionality of Commodore OS and ANY incarnation of Workbench is as big as Windows 7 to Windows 95.
Dropping the Workbench name and expanding our options was the best thing that could've happened.
This is a 21st century operating system and it looks it. "

quell'ANY maiuscolo?

[Grendizer]

@grendizer

ma non ho capito, sei tu?

e chi lo sa

@AmigaTV

grazie per il supporto psicologico su Commodore-Amiga.org ;)

ebbene, Commodore Usa ha risposto.... e le notizie non sono per niente belle.....
ma questo chiarisce definitivamente quali sono le loro intenzioni e cosa vogliono fare di Amiga


@GRENDIZER

Hello and welcome to Commodore-Amiga.org.

From the way you are talking about your new Commodore Os, it seems it will be better than windows 7 or MAC OS or linux Ubuntu... then I suppose it will be also very different from a “normal linux”

The difference is in the eye of the beholder. It is undeniably linux. It will be recognisable as Linux, and that is unavoidable. To some it will feel new, to others with a degree of experience it will feel familiar. It isn't a re-invention by any means, but it provides a powerful and attractive experience that should fulfill people's needs. What more can one ask for really. It will add value to our products. The most important take away from Commodore OS, is that it is OUR OS. It is an OS that the community can involve themselves in and shape to their interests. It is not vanilla....It's chocolate. C=OS 2.0 might even be strawberry.

nd I think, in order being an excellent Os, as Amiga Os was on the old generation of Amiga, it should be very integrated along with the hardware who guests it...

In many respects, integration can (almost) be taken as a given these days.
We have reached the point where Linux supports all the internal hardware you would expect, so no special effort on our part is really required.
There is no need to write special drivers for our particular hardware as you might have to with a hobby OS, as many device manufacturers have either developed them already for linux or an active community has. As our products use commodity hardware they are well supported. This may change down the track as our products evolve and when we venture down more unique avenues, where there will be a need for custom driver development.

yes, because the hardware should be totally integrated along with the new Commodore OS, if you want to create an home computer (yes, you could use again this word to describe your Amiga Computers and in particulare the definition: “THE RETURN OF THE HOME COMPUTER”, in opposite to the word PersonalComputer) efficently and peculiare as the old generation of Commodore Amiga was......

I think a home computer is one that you have fun with and use in your creative digital pursuits. It is what you use it for that really defines it.
But just as the original C64 and Amigas were used in business, so can our products.
The VIC-Slim, in particular, is selling well as an excellent thin-client computer in the enterprise.

a new amiga should be an excellent computer and long-lived for at least 5 years.... as for example xbox 360 or Ps3 console are... I find the Amiga philosopy in every kind of generation of home console who come out on the market....because they offer new innovative hardware, at low cost and long-lived for many years....

Some people, like myself, still find a use for 5+ year old computers.
I can do many of the things on them I use my newer computers for. However, it is said that technology advancement is exponential.
For example, the last 5 years of technological advancement will be matched by the next 2 and a half years, which has tended to always be the case.
Today 4Gigs of memory is huge for some people, in five years I would imagine as much as 16 will be commonplace.
These sorts of things may be limiting factors, even before you consider CPU or GPU speed.

I think you're incorrect in your appraisal of the console situation. These current gen console specs were passe compared to PCs even for the time. Apart from using more exotic CPUs. which ironically tend to turn out to be the most limiting factor, the graphics chipsets utilised were straight from the PC world.
Besides which, the console war is an artificial example as the hardware has remained stagnant, in terms of the underlying technology, in order for those companies to make a return on their investment. Neither Microsoft or Sony are willing to take it to the next level prematurely and precipitate another costly console war. They've reached the sweet spot where they can finally make a profit on their consoles as well as reap the rewards of software sales.
Console specs are blown away by the latest personal computers and they always will be.
The only limiting factor is cost, with high-end graphics cards usually costing as much or more as a whole console.
While it is conceivable you could be using our C64 with current internals in 5 years time, who can say if there will be some new application that will propel you to upgrade. The nice thing about our C64x is that it is future-proof. You can upgrade the hardware and the software!!! It's a bit harder with the original C64 which wasn't designed that way. The specific hardware is not as integral to the experience as it used to be, and features are a continuum.

I think, at the beginning, you can use existent standard hardware to make money , but I think you must also find something of particulare who can be used with it... it should be an important thing for example to make an agreement with ATI or Nvidia, to make a specific and innovative graphic card esclusively for your home computer, and to use AMD 6 core processors, because they are very cheap and performant.... I think this is the right way to start and to make money which are needed to think more in great... now I have some questions:

ATI and nVidia are in an arms race. Whatever we settled on with any one of them would be behind in 6 months. The Amiga desktops will feature some of the most powerful graphics hardware available today, so I dare say they will feel sufficiently powerful in 5 years time. But you get what you pay for. Pay more and you go further ahead and stay near the top longer.
An area where such an agreement might make sense, is in the burgeoning tablet market, but we don't have the pull with them compared to say a Dell or Asus. It will be a long time before such a thing is possible if it ever is. What would be more interesting is if we could develop some innovative hardware features in-house, that perhaps breaks from the status-quo in some way, but that is all pie in the sky thinking for the moment. A more directed and unique approach in some area that can be a differentiator.

[b]1) How many people are working on the new Commodore OS?When will come out?

There are a few, and others that have contributed bits. We are a small operation of course, and we contract out for work when required. We are not developing an OS from scratch, and with Linux and related projects being open source we are standing on the shoulders of tens of thousands of giants.

2) Will they be two versions of Commodore OS? One designed for Commodore 64x and one different for the Amiga Line?

No, they will be the same.
Commodore OS 1.0 in 2011 is based on Linux/Gnome, but I will leave you guessing what Commodore OS 2.0 in 2012 will be based on.
We will have to see how things pan out in terms of delivery and I do not want to jump the gun.

3) How many computer's model are you thinking about to launch about Amiga? I think you should choose 2 model of Amiga every 4-5 years (an entry level as Amiga 500 was and a professional level as Amiga 2000 was), because if you make an “Amiga” every 6 months, that will not be interessant as Amiga was because it will sature the market making it to think about it as a simple PC clone...and that doesn't make the difference but will kill this Amiga line of Computers, that will never utilize in the right way the hardware

We'll see. The desktop form factors will definitely happen this year. Everything else is a bonus.
The keyboard computers are lot harder to do. I would like to see a new replica keyboard computer every year either as an 8-bit or Amiga replica.
People want choice. I don't want to hear, "I would make a purchase if only you ....." I know people will anyway.
We won't want to remain stagnant and wait 4 years between products or even upgrades. There's got to be something new every year.
Commodore didn't wait that long between models even though it may feel like they did.
Will there be a generational leap in our products in 4-5 years time? I would like to think so. We'll see how things pan out.

I think your "Amiga" could have success only if the OS will use all the power of the hardware and will work in a different and nicer way of the other OS concorrence... but you need also an exclusive graphic card (ati or Nvidia) and low cost and performant processors (Amd )

It's hard enough to get consensus on a single graphics card or even CPU manufacturer. They leap frog each other so often.
Commodore OS will be cool, but we never said it will be the be all end all, but provide a nice modern experience befitting of the Commodore brand, which in my opinion, is much better option than having to use Windows.
[/b]

link
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum ... 5&start=45

[DAX]

round in circles we go...

Mesi fa la gente diceva: "ma è un Linux distro su piastre generiche x86, a me sembra una mossa di marketing"

Dopo mille miliardi di post su tutte le boards Amiga ricadiamo in: "it's linux on generic x86 hardware".

[andres]

beh, se è una distribuzione Linux è già meglio di una skin per Ubuntu; cmq è chiaro che a loro non interessa l'OS, sia perchè non hanno nè il tempo, nè le competenze nè i soldi per lavorare seriamente in quella direzione, sia perchè sanno benissimo che tutti gli eventuali acquirenti ci installeranno Windows e buona notte...

[amig4be]

beh, se è una distribuzione Linux è già meglio di una skin per Ubuntu; cmq è chiaro che a loro non interessa l'OS, sia perchè non hanno nè il tempo, nè le competenze nè i soldi per lavorare seriamente in quella direzione, sia perchè sanno benissimo che tutti gli eventuali acquirenti ci installeranno Windows e buona notte...

ma anche perché da matti rifare da zero 17 anni di evoluzione informatica, con l'unico pragmatico e ben noto risultato di tagliare fuori la propria utenza dalle cose oggi più gustose... sia hardware che software, e renderli fondamentalmente improduttivi o particolarmente zoppi rispetto a quel che esiste (vedi topic recente su blender)

standing on the shoulders of tens of thousands of giants... giusto

e in una catena evolutiva in cui i veri amiga, quelli 68k e solo quelli, hanno dato il loro contributo.